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Astrology Proven Statistically Meaningless

Newspaper current event by VnutZ on 26 April 2008, tagged as astrology and science

Astrology is a technique by which people predict outcomes and find meaning within their lives by making associations and connections to environmental stimuli - most notably astrological positioning. People practice astrology by constructing detailed natal charts to determine the influencing factors at their birth. From these charts, it should be possible to divine predicted connections between all the events that transpire in a person's life. According to a study released by London based researchers, astrology is nothing more than artistic guessing. The study began in 1958 to track the lives of 2000 infants born within minutes of each other. If astrology has merit, the scientists postulated, the lives of each infant ought to bear resemblance to one another. Fifty years later, the research concludes the individual's lives are completely unique and not a single prediction could accurately have forecast any outcome. Adding insult to injury, additional testing showed that given a birth chart and the life history of subjects, professional astrologers could not match the two for any of their subjects with any sort of accuracy better than randomly guessing. Despite studies like these having been conducted before, belief in astrology has skyrocketed.

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Context over predictive value by NomadSoul :: NR5 :: on 26 April 2008

There will always be something like astrology around. It may even provide a useful function in giving people a context or framework for understanding their experiences, even if it isn't necessarily accurate in a historical sense. The thing even an experienced astrologer will tell you is that astrology predicts trends and forces, not specific events. It's like a spiritual weather report--the astrologer can issue a storm warning, but can't say for sure if your house will be demolished by a passing tornado, or if the storm will pass you by altogether.

If it helps people get some context for understanding and overcoming the challenges in their lives, it's a good and healthy thing. If it becomes an obsession or crutch, and the person can't do anything without consulting their horoscope, well, then it's time to put it aside.

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RE: Context over predictive value by mjperson :: NR4 :: on 29 April 2008

The point is what causes the astrologer to issue the "spiritual storm warning". If he's just making stuff up, it's not useful. If he gives the same warning to everyone, it's not useful. If he's giving helpful advice, by say knowing the person in question well, and seeing the psychological stormclouds on the horizon, that is fine. But it's called psychology. Leave the stars nonsense out of it.

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RE: Context over predictive value by NomadSoul :: NR5 :: on 29 April 2008

The point is what causes the astrologer to issue the "spiritual storm warning".

Well, that is the question; I'm good friends with an astrologer and she would definitely say there's an element of psychology to it, but astrology is also based on a worldview where astronomy and psychology are linked--so in that view there's no essential difference.

A basic fact of human psychology is that we use stories to make sense of the world--it's where we get our context from. In that sense, science or economics are as much stories as they are theories. The difference is that astrology is a story that embeds people within a larger universe--it gives them a sense of place in the world and tells them what themes will be present in their lives. It's not meant to be understood literally, but symbolically.

The tragic fact is that many people, and unfortunately plenty of astrologers, like to promote a literal interpretation... but then, so do statistical studies seeking to find direct links between material events and symbolic reality. They do overlap, but not in a linear fashion, so conventional science will always misunderstand astrology, even while people will continue to crave symbolic context.

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Astrology WAS science by Anonymous :: NR0 :: on 27 April 2008

A long time ago during the dark ages, way before Galileo came along and developed the Scientific Method, the people who were called alchemists and astrologers were actually very similar in many ways to our present day chemists, physicists and astronomers except that they were working with different notions of reality. We owe a great debt to these people and a bit of scorn to Sunday newspaper astrologers and their scientist critics who have no clue what astrology is all about.

Note: There was a lot of persecution of scientific thought from the catholic church at this time so there was a lot of secret codes and subterfuge from the people investigating nature.

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RE: Astrology WAS science by VnutZ :: NR8 :: on 28 April 2008

Very true ... very true. Good point.

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Obviously this article is Hogwash by Anonymous :: NR0 :: on 30 April 2008

Another blunder by VnutZ and others to put wrong spin on actual facts. Here is a perfect example of how Illuminati and cult of Venetians abuse people.

Astrology is as old as humans. It is used in conjuction with other orginal and native arts. See Origins and Oracles by Michael Tsarion and learn :p

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RE: Obviously this article is Hogwash by VnutZ :: NR8 :: on 30 April 2008

Another blunder by VnutZ and others to put wrong spin on actual facts.

I blundered because somebody else conducted a 50 year study? Riiiiiight.