Blah, blah, blah. I’ve heard all that libertarian crap before.
I concede your point.
When you say, “I have seen the commerce clause, in conjunction with the ‘necessary and proper’ clause at the end of section 8 to justify more federal power grabs than any other clause”, you’re really saying, “I think those clauses should be more narrowly interpreted, but the Supreme Court doesn’t agree with me.”
No, what I’m really saying is “I have seen the commerce clause, in conjunction with the ‘necessary and proper’ clause at the end of section 8 to justify more federal power grabs than any other clause”, but I agree with your version, too.
I think it’s an attempt to avoid change. To wallow in backward, self-destructive atavism.
Actually, there’s a lot of change that needs to be made, much of it regulatory. I just don’t think that this topic is one the Federal Government needs to be involved in. Precicely to avoid the blotto game you speak of. I’d rather they solved the more pressing issues of the day before bothering with abortion. How about economic reform? Breaking the stranglehold multi-national corporations have on congress? Slashing Monsanto’s grip on the world’s food supply? Water rights? Waste reduction such as is discussed in The Story of Stuff? I see the federal involvement in abortion (or gay marriage) as Bike Shedding
Liberal abortion laws make the US a better place — the maternal death rate drops, there are fewer unwanted children, it may even reduce crime rates.
What are your views on Eugenics? That could also have this effect, much for the same reason as abotion. Eugenics is arguably nothing more than ultra-late term abortions.
Eugenics is arguably nothing more than ultra-late term abortions.
Retrospective abortion might be a tempting option in the case of certain politicians, but it is unlikely to be a sustainable solution in the general case.
Eugenics was misguided academic research that appealed to racists and was given far too much oxygen in the facist regimes of the 1930s. Certainly it did appeal to those who believed that the breeding of people was most important, including certain members of the UK Royal Family. I think it was more about classifying people than murdering them, although it was used for that pourpose by the Nazis.
We are straying into Godwin’s Law territory here.
Mercifully, Eugenics has not been connected to the abortion debate in the USA. Let’s try to keep it that way.
Precicely to avoid the blotto game you speak of.
Addressing it at the federal level is exactly how you avoid the issues of the Blotto game. There’s exactly one “battlefield” and the results are applied uniformly — no opportunity to split the troops.
The fact is that the overwhelming majority of Americans are in favor of abortions being available, at least early on. The statistics are something like 2:1 in favor. But there’s enough local variation — especially in rural areas — that by forcing regional votes, you can get a number of places where it’s voted down.
I’d rather they solved the more pressing issues of the day before bothering with abortion.
I agree, but you’re making the wrong complaint — the pattern of abortion under the current abortion laws are pretty close to what studies show people really want. Abortions overwhelmingly occur in the early stages of pregnancy, and late stage abortions are usually medically necessary. So the current laws are just fine — the problem is that we’ve got a bunch of hyper-conservative religious nuts out there who insist that we need to change the laws to suit their superstitions.
So, yes — we’ve got better things to to. But it’s not the Federal government that’s trying to focus attention on abortion.
Gay marriage is a different story — I disagree that it’s a triviality. It’s no more trivial than women’s suffrage, or ending laws against interracial marriage. There are considerably more gays in the US than, say, Jews, and most people would consider it an outrage if Jews weren’t allowed to marry.
I think it goes to the heart of the American notions of freedom and equality. We’ve got a class of people for whom even some very basic notions of equality don’t apply — this is a great wrong, and it’s important to address it. I have little doubt that in a couple of decades, we’ll be looking back on today with the same kind of embarrassment that we feel today when we look at this.
What are your views on Eugenics?
I think it’s completely irrelevant. Eugenics is generally not “ultra-late term abortion” — it’s really about breeding. Choosing the “right” breeding pairs to improve offspring. It’s also usually a bad idea — it gets in the way of so many other basic freedoms. On the other hand, it is, technically speaking, a form of eugenics that we already practice in requiring couples to have blood tests before marriage to warn about certain complications. It’s technically eugenics at work when parents discourage their children from marrying outside their race or religion. Some forms of breeding control between humans are seen as perfectly ordinary. It’s a centralized form of eugenics enforced by law that’s abhorrent, not eugenics per se.
The thing to note in the supposed connection between abortion and crime rates is that nobody is forcing these women to abort. They know they’re in no position to do a proper job raising a child, and they take a very reasonable and sensible step on their own. It’s nothing to do with any notions of eugenics.
Certainly I’d advocate making it easier for them to avoid pregnancy in the first place, too — education, easy availability of contraception, and so on.
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