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RE: Disappearing Options
I answered that question. Did you want details or something?
That really does happen to Mormons who are deemed to be apostate.
But what does it take to be an apostate worthy of excommunication? I’ll give you a hint: A lot more than disagreeing with the prophet about political actions.
I am sure Mit has done it to others.
Ok, excommunication isn’t funny – but this cracked me up. It’s just so, so far from the truth … and yet you’re sure about it.
The more I know how little you know about how my church works, the more I understand your odd opinions of it.
Suppose he is a very good president who achieves liberal reforms that his church does not like.
Like what, exactly? I know tons of liberal Mormons. (My Mission President’s wife once told me she didn’t understand how any upstanding member of the Church could be a Republican.) There are even Mormons serving as Democrats in Congress and as Governors.
The discipline of LDS is such that the Church could campaign against him having a second term.
First, please tell me what the “discipline of LDS” is. Second, yes, the Church could campaign against him … but is there any precedent for that? I understand there was Prop 8 in California, but can you name the last time the Church endorsed or came out against a specific candidate in any race?
the discipline of LDS overcoming free will
Can’t. Stop. Laughing. I’m going to use this “discipline of LDS” terminology thing. It’s great. It’ll go right next to “The Book of the Marmons.”
RE: Disappearing Options by Occams
Perhaps I feel this way right now because I recently saw a TV doco about Mitt when he was “Bishop”. They intervied a woman who claimed that when she was having a baby out of wedlock, Mitt visited her and told her that she must give it to the church. She was terrified of excommunication, but the program did not make it clear that this had actually happened to her when she kept the baby. Nevertheless she was very alienated from the LDS anbd Romney by the experience. There was also an ex Mormon mother who was very disraught because she was prevented from attending her daughter’s wedding in the temple. I understand that non believers should stay away from services, but a wedding is a family occasion and a decent church should make allowances for that.
Then they interviewed a bunch of ex Mormons in Utah, including one who was Mitt’s second counsin, and looked a lot like him. He had come to the conclusion that the Mormon origins story was a great fraud perpetuated by the hierarchy in spite of its improbability, and the embarrassment it causes. He described how the church forbade his family from communicating with him. Another described how the church destroyed his business by making his customers stay away.
This is what I mean by LDS discipline. These are cult characteristics that no doubt the Mormon Church is trying to distance itself from as it craves broad community acceptance. Do you deny that this kind of thing has been typical, even if it is no longer true today? It is enough to make most people run a mile from the young men in the suits with all the answers.
I believe you about the existance of LDS Liberrals. Democrats are typically not Liberals, just centrists. LDS charitable beliefs would place people in the Democrat camp. I think it more surprising that Mormons can become Republicans.
So how many left wingers do the Mormons have?
I do not hate or fear the LDS. I merely think they are one of the sillier forms of American Christianity.