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RE: Moralized science isn't real science

You’re certainly not improving my opinion of your intelligence.

Like I really give a rat’s arse as to what your opinion is of my intelligence. :D

Like with my political views, you haven’t Clue One as to what I am about.

But, like your Pro-AGW priests, you simply assume you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Facts are not a “majority rules” process, but science is. Science is about building hypotheses and testing them against the facts, and for those of us who aren’t directly involved in building those hypotheses, the degree to which the scientists involved agree or disagree on them is entirely relevant.

Consensus is a political term. Period.

"Blind faith is even worse in science than it is in religion…"

It is. So take off your blinders and listen to the scientists.

But here’s your problem. You only want to listen to the scientists that YOU agree with. The scientists that dispute your End Of The World fantasy are completely ignored..

Here’s where we differ. I take into account ALL of the scientists and their views, not just the ones I WANT to agree with.

For example.

450 Peer Reviewed Papers that dispute and/or disprove the AGW theory

Why don’t you want to listen to THOSE scientists? If your so hell bent on the science, why not take into account the science that disagrees with the AGW theory?

Because you are not about the science. You are simply pushing a political agenda.

Michale….

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And, I’m back.

Here’s where we differ. I take into account ALL of the scientists and their views, not just the ones I WANT to agree with.

This may or may not be true, but you, at least, discount all of the scientists you disagree with and say that any paper they published is flawed because of the supposed flaws in the peer-review process. I would think there is a good chance that scottb is doing the same thing here, and just discounting the smaller number of scientists (minus the peer-reviewed caveat).

450 Peer Reviewed Papers that dispute and/or disprove the AGW theory

This is interesting. I am going to spend some time looking through these… though I don’t have a lot of hope using them to prove or disprove AGW. I did, however, find an article about that list here and while it does not remove all question, it does eliminate some of the papers from that list and urge caution in accepting that there is so much dispute in the peer-reviewed scientific community. Just for full disclosure, I felt that if the one was posted, the other, refuting, link should be available as well.

Because you are not about the science. You are simply pushing a political agenda.

I am fairly sure that no one on this site that is arguing for AGW has a hat in the ring, politically, about this issue. There is simply no political benefit to hold this view for non-politicians. For one thing, how does AGW legislation benefit me or Occams or scottb (if it is false and we falsely claim it true). Isn’t it far more likely that we do care about the science and give the majority of climate scientists a heavier weight than you do? I feel that I have been arguing for science much more than arguing for AGW. Because if AGW is false, then you are right and science is broken. Therefore, I feel it unfair to characterize disputing anti-AGW claims as unscientific. Fin.

As for possible benefits for falsely arguing AGW is true? Hmmmm… worse future for my kids, higher costs for current lifestyle, possible carbon tax, etc. I am not seeing enough reasons here for me to support AGW if I didn’t care about the science. Can’t speak for scottb, but I would assume that those benefits wouldn’t ring his bell, either.

But, like your Pro-AGW priests, you simply assume you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Nope. I’ll repeat myself again, because you’re clearly stupid.

The overwhelming majority of those who are in a position to evaluate the evidence agree with the AGW hypothesis. Based on that, the most reasonable position for a non-scientist to take is to assume that the AGW hypothesis is true. For a non-scientists to take the denialist position is arrogant and foolish.

You are a crank, and even if by some miracle the current consensus turns out to be wrong, you’re still a crank, because you have no legitimate justification for your beliefs.

But here’s your problem. You only want to listen to the scientists that YOU agree with. The scientists that dispute your End Of The World fantasy are completely ignored..

Nope. They’re thoroughly addressed by the other scientists. Which is as it should be. If those other scientists are convinced, I’ll switch my position, as it’s the only rational thing to do.

Meanwhile, here’s a brief rebuttal to your sham list of “peer reviewed” papers.

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