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The CDC uses misleading flu death statistics because they think fearmongering is the only way they can convince people

I read this exchange on Omninerd and I don’t think you proved this point. I think you feel they are misleading because flu isn’t the primary cause of death, but since the primary cause of death is often due to the patient having the flu, I think it is fair to count those statistics. So anyway, don’t buy that point. Moving on.

What I’d like to see is some unbiased evidence.

Where could we get said evidence. In my mind, I just think that if the “unbiased” evidence went against the anti-vaccine crowd, they would just say it was biased and ignore it. I am not sure where you fall, so I don’t know how you would take it. But do you see the problem here? The AMA says that the anti-vaccine crowd is bonkers. That is pretty much enough for me. Moving on.

I also don’t need people saying things like, “anyone that believes vaccines are dangerous is an idiot”

I don’t think that people who think vaccines are dangerous are idiots. The HPV vaccine has had a fairly bad track record and in my mind only helps the anti-vaccine crowd with a real vaccine that may not be all it was cracked up to be. Vaccines can be dangerous, but the other half of that sentence is that they are mostly less dangerous than not getting them. I guess it is a gamble and if I have a 1 in 200 chance of a bad reaction and a 1 in 1000 chance of a fatal reaction but a 1 in 100 chance of having a bad or fatal case of the disease… well, I am not a betting man, but I would go with the better chances.

Furthermore, I don’t care what views people have, but when people like Jenny McCarthy use was little fame or standing they have to spread propoganda about vaccines that is not medically sound, I feel that those people are morally reprehensible. Maybe not idiots, but don’t know which is worse.

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RE: Vaccines didn't cause GWS (or autism, or ___, or ...) by Anonymous :: NR0

Read the book “The HPV Vaccine Controversy: Sex, Cancer, God and Politics” authored by Shobha S. Krishnan, M.D, Barnard college, Columbia University. The book educates both professionals and the public about HPV infections, the diseases they cause and the role/ controversies surrounding the new vaccines. It is written without the influence of any pharmaceutical companies or special interest groups. The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA, June 17th 2009) calls the book superb and a terrific contribution to the field. It is available at amazon.com, Barnes and Noble .com and through international distributors. Website: http://www.thehpvbook.com/

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RE: Vaccines didn't cause GWS (or autism, or ___, or ...) by scottb :: NR7

I guess it is a gamble and if I have a 1 in 200 chance of a bad reaction and a 1 in 1000 chance of a fatal reaction but a 1 in 100 chance of having a bad or fatal case of the disease… well, I am not a betting man, but I would go with the better chances.

Wouldn’t you have to be “a betting man” to refuse the vaccine and thus face the worse odds?

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RE: Vaccines didn't cause GWS (or autism, or ___, or ...) by Brandon :: NR9

My issue with the flu death stats isn’t that they use models and count deaths where the flu wasn’t the primary cause; it’s that they don’t tell people that’s what they’re doing.

I’m sure there are many who would throw out anything against their position on both sides.

I’m not willing to take any government agency’s word “as gospel.” I’m not saying my mind can’t or won’t change on that matter, but they haven’t earned my trust as yet. The article on the CDC’s alleged (heh) coverup is part of it. The flu stat issue is part of it. Politics tendencies are part of it. Agency staffing issues are part of it. You know, that sort of thing.

I haven’t seen you make any of the “people who think vaccines are dangerous are idiots”-type arguments. I just wanted to give examples of the useless/argumentative junk that is rampant.

As for Jenny McCarthy, I haven’t read or heard anything by her on vaccines, so I can’t really comment. If she is making faulty arguments or spinning the evidence, then it’s extra lame as she has a bigger microphone (although it’s much smaller than that held by the CDC).

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