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First off, obviously, I am not a trained medical doctor or researcher. As such, I really have no standing to judge the results of studies that trained professionals have carried out. If there is a trained expert, I’d like to hear your opinion.

After reviewing the “Lloyd Report”, the first thing I am prompted to say is that it identifies itself as a report as opposed to a study. It is a summary of other some other studies about the Gulf War Illness. That may not in itself be a bad thing, but it is not a scientific study. And it has its fair share of critics.

Furthermore, the BBC Report about the report says that the illness was caused by a number of factors of which vaccines could be one.

Allied troops stationed in Germany were vaccinated but never went anywhere near the theatre of operations because the war ended. These troops suffered the same symptoms.

The report also states that the incidence of Gulf War Illness is twice as likely in those who served in the Gulf than those who did not. So which is it? Is the report right when it says that it was service in the Gulf or is the report right when it says service in the Gulf did not matter?

Is there any sort of recognized (DSM-esque) classification of Gulf War Syndrome? That is the controversy that I see repeated over and over again. I see people saying that there is no definite list of symptoms for the Illness and that it is very similar to PTSD (from Vietnam) or “shell shock” from WWII. I really don’t have any experience with anyone suffering from the Syndrome, so I am surprised at the lack of medical support/consensus.

I realize that we can’t trust the government (sarcasm) but the official military report says that there wasn’t any squalene in the vaccines. Why the insistence on the fact that there was squalene?

The report details that testing fingerprint oil indicates off the charts squalene levels and that any squalene found in the anthrax vaccine was likely due to a small amount of contamination from the test itself. Incidentally, it also states that they found just as much squalene in tetanus and diptheria vaccines… yet there is no uproar about those.

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Please be advised that the “uproar” was not about squalene in individually tested Anthrax Vaccine samples. It was about “Antibodies to Squalene in Recipients of Anthrax Vaccine.” The concern is and was that healthy veterans were suddenly stricken with autoimmune disease and other serious symptoms.

http://www.avip2001.net/OfficialDocuments_files/Asa_squalene.pdf

I am not a health care professional either…

The Lloyd Report was an independent public inquiry into Gulf War Illness and took evidence from many medical experts and veterans as well. It was a lengthy enquiry and you can see who gave evidence etc if you want to look into that further.

You quote an official military report that says there was no squalene in the vaccines. That is, of course, a lie. Without directing you to particular experts, you can search on anthrax vaccine & Gulf War Syndrome and see that for yourself.

In the US, the DoD used a private limited company to manufacture the anthrax vaccine and for a time, court proceedings successfully stopped mandatory vaccination of troops. Medical records were “lost” and there was ongoing development & experimentation with the vaccine to try to keep apace with biological weapon threats, with troops effectively being used as guinea pigs.

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