Let’s assume you decide to travel into the future. If there was such a thing as free will, it should be impossible to have any discernable destination. For instance, you decide to travel forward in time to meet your great-great-grandchildren. In order for them to exist in a future that you can travel to, a necessary timeline would have to take place whereupon certain individuals met and had children, etc. etc. This would imply fate as key events must take place for the voyage to occur. Without fate it would be impossible to have any destination as an infinite number of potential outcomes are possible.
Now, if free will does exist and you are able to travel into the future, there is no guarantee that two individuals traveling to the future would necessarily land in the "same future." This follows the multiple world concept (somewhat akin to the movie "The One" starring Jet Li).
Traveling into the past would seem "logically cleaner" as events have already transpired and you should be able to jump into them. However, the Observer Effect will inevitably alter the outcome of time as it would be impossible to be present in the past without having some influence.
Unless, the world were governed by fate. In that case, you could travel back in time because you were "supposed to" and the past has already compensated for you being there. While you may perceive that you are altering things, the circular loop of time that you are involved in will show that event has always taken place and fate requires that you DO travel back in time to do it. This would allow you to actually return to your own time reference without having created any anomalies, because it has always happened that way.
Free will, throws a monkey wrench into the system because conceivably you could alter the past in such a way as to negate the fact that you ever existed. Or alter the past such that time travel was never discovered which means you never went to the past which means you could never have disrupted things. BLAAAAAAHHHH (runs away with hair on fire waving arms in the air). Or, avoiding the self-negating paradox, free will causes the same problem as traveling into the future – how do you return to your "present" if your existence in the past introduces variables and options that will inevitably create numerous pathways through time?
Thus, it seems to me, that for time travel to exist – it is a requirement that 1) FATE exists and man has no FREEWILL or 2) somehow the multiple world/dimension thing exists and we simply move through those worlds based on choices (which isn’t that far from actually being fate anyway).
Science is knowing, mapping the physical world.
That’s what they are doing now.
The Maya’s, other great ancients mapped the evolution of our consciousness. When we reach the completion fase in 2012. The end of a 26000 year cycle, time will dissolve and boundaries in our perception too. Time is not lineair, for all the smartasses here. The Pope, Gregory was a fucking idiot for introducing this shit.
Anyway, when time disolves, you can do anything you want, you body won’t be affected by physical impulses.. got that ?
so travelling tru time, why if it doesn’t exist ? you travel with your thoughts and be in contact with all..
More info.. check www.youtube.com search; Maya 2012 md0206 that’s my profile i’ve made detailed videos,docu about this.
I know it’s gonna be great. Evil will implode btw. Only love will exist. That’s why they are hiding this from us.
Nature’s time is Synchronity. not Lineair.
This.. what happens right on Earth, life, creation has probably happend millions of times over and over. PEACEEEE
If time weren’t linear, then things would happen randomly. "Free will" is a product of randomosity. Quantum physics play out to say that there is a random quality to the universe and God really does "play dice," so to speak. But for a moment, ignore quantum theories and think in terms that are easier to physically see. Flip a coin. Is the outcome random? The instinctive answer is yes, but the truth is no, the outcome is NOT random. The result is based upon the force with which you knocked the coin upward, air resistance, gravity, etc. It all adds into a complex equation that would ulitmately tell you whether the coin lands on heads or tails.
Furthermore, think of the implications of "free well." If you have "free will," then there are an infinite number of people who, put simply, could have existed, and were never given the chance, souls that have been snuffed out before they were even conceived, because there are a near innumerable possibilities concerning with whom you have children, and when you decide to have children…
So… I guess you’d always travel to the same future, no matter how many times you journied there, and any time travel would most likely, as you suggested, be preordained… Or so is my theory…
I offer a different theory, one that adds an interesting spin to your subject without throwing that annyoying "God Ball" at you. Carl Jung and Wolfgang Pauli offered an interesting (though nearly impossible to test) theory called syncronicity, basically saying that some series of coincidences are logically meaningful with purposful reason for existance.
Of course, this is fate, and thus there is no free will and I am typing this response to you because the beginning of time demands it of me. Yet everything in my core tells me this is wrong. What if, much as we’re learning about time, fate is non-linear as well? A recent study in the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab showed a small, though measurable pattern between human thought patterns and random, computer-generated data sets. This can probably be explained in ten million different ways, but it seems to me that there are (immediatly) three plausable explanations:
A) An amusing coincidence.
B) That the unconscious mind could somehow read and mimic the data sets do to various unconscious desires and whatnot.
C) That somehow our thought patterns effected the ‘randomness’ of the data tests.
When you spend enough time rolling dice, at times one can ‘feel’ as they’re rolling a dice whether they’re going to roll low or high (which is my experience anyways). A lot of people disagree with the use of computer-generated dice rollers because computers are not truly random (I cannot understand how it can, or cannot be fully random, paradocixally). I would believe that our thought process effects our future, perhaps even our past (a big maybe). If so, then a pair of dice is effected by one factor on top of angles and vibrations – our thought patterns. Random data sets and dice generators, however, can only really have two factors, and that’s the electrical data generated by the computer and our will (since none of the actual rolling occurs) possibly making it more predictable.
It makes sense in my mind somewhat. It would explain luck and destiny without ridding us of free will, it fits in such a way that could, perhaps one day be measurable scientifically and does not ask you to convert to Christianity.
My view. by Anonymous :: NR0 :: Show
Science is knowing, mapping the physical world.
That’s what they are doing now.
The Maya’s, other great ancients mapped the evolution of our consciousness. When we reach the completion fase in 2012. The end of a 26000 year cycle, time will dissolve and boundaries in our perception too. Time is not lineair, for all the smartasses here. The Pope, Gregory was a fucking idiot for introducing this shit.
Anyway, when time disolves, you can do anything you want, you body won’t be affected by physical impulses.. got that ?
so travelling tru time, why if it doesn’t exist ? you travel with your thoughts and be in contact with all..
More info.. check www.youtube.com search; Maya 2012 md0206 that’s my profile i’ve made detailed videos,docu about this.
I know it’s gonna be great. Evil will implode btw. Only love will exist. That’s why they are hiding this from us.
Nature’s time is Synchronity. not Lineair.
This.. what happens right on Earth, life, creation has probably happend millions of times over and over. PEACEEEE
md, (md0206)
RE: Time Travel = Mandate for Fate by Anonymous :: NR0 :: Show
If time weren’t linear, then things would happen randomly. "Free will" is a product of randomosity. Quantum physics play out to say that there is a random quality to the universe and God really does "play dice," so to speak. But for a moment, ignore quantum theories and think in terms that are easier to physically see. Flip a coin. Is the outcome random? The instinctive answer is yes, but the truth is no, the outcome is NOT random. The result is based upon the force with which you knocked the coin upward, air resistance, gravity, etc. It all adds into a complex equation that would ulitmately tell you whether the coin lands on heads or tails.
Furthermore, think of the implications of "free well." If you have "free will," then there are an infinite number of people who, put simply, could have existed, and were never given the chance, souls that have been snuffed out before they were even conceived, because there are a near innumerable possibilities concerning with whom you have children, and when you decide to have children…
So… I guess you’d always travel to the same future, no matter how many times you journied there, and any time travel would most likely, as you suggested, be preordained… Or so is my theory…
RE: Time Travel = Mandate for Fate by Anonymous :: NR0 :: Show
I offer a different theory, one that adds an interesting spin to your subject without throwing that annyoying "God Ball" at you. Carl Jung and Wolfgang Pauli offered an interesting (though nearly impossible to test) theory called syncronicity, basically saying that some series of coincidences are logically meaningful with purposful reason for existance.
Of course, this is fate, and thus there is no free will and I am typing this response to you because the beginning of time demands it of me. Yet everything in my core tells me this is wrong. What if, much as we’re learning about time, fate is non-linear as well? A recent study in the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab showed a small, though measurable pattern between human thought patterns and random, computer-generated data sets. This can probably be explained in ten million different ways, but it seems to me that there are (immediatly) three plausable explanations:
A) An amusing coincidence.
B) That the unconscious mind could somehow read and mimic the data sets do to various unconscious desires and whatnot.
C) That somehow our thought patterns effected the ‘randomness’ of the data tests.
When you spend enough time rolling dice, at times one can ‘feel’ as they’re rolling a dice whether they’re going to roll low or high (which is my experience anyways). A lot of people disagree with the use of computer-generated dice rollers because computers are not truly random (I cannot understand how it can, or cannot be fully random, paradocixally). I would believe that our thought process effects our future, perhaps even our past (a big maybe). If so, then a pair of dice is effected by one factor on top of angles and vibrations – our thought patterns. Random data sets and dice generators, however, can only really have two factors, and that’s the electrical data generated by the computer and our will (since none of the actual rolling occurs) possibly making it more predictable.
It makes sense in my mind somewhat. It would explain luck and destiny without ridding us of free will, it fits in such a way that could, perhaps one day be measurable scientifically and does not ask you to convert to Christianity.