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RE: Piracy is not new

Comment comment by nickfranklin on 28 February 2007

i read your linked essay. wasn't sure what you were getting at...

jefferson bought his koran in 1765.

the barbary war kicked off in 1801.

are you suggesting TJ could SEE THE FUTURE?

but seriously: i suppose your argument is that jefferson maintained his koran throughout the war to better understand the enemy, which isn't predicated on him buying it just for the war. and i'm sure he flipped through it at least once when things started getting crazy. but still... have you read the koran? it's just as screwy and full of weird metaphor as any other religious book. i do this military thing sort of professionally--maybe you do too, i don't know--and in my sort of professional opinion, you'd have to be pretty badass to get enough insight into your enemy's way of fighting war from reading his literature. the whole thing seems kind of a non sequitur to me. sorry. sometimes, a book is just a book.

(incidentally--speaking of the barbary war and badass...)

i didn't understand the article you linked to in the first sentence of your essay, either. i don't know anything about representative ellison, but apparently he's been muslim since he was 19... if the guy wants to swear in on a koran--why not? there's no state religion around here, man. you're thinking of somebody else's country.

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RE: Piracy is not new by wallywonderswhy :: NR0

I have read both the Koran and the Bible. Yes, I am against anyone swearing on a Koran to uphold our nation, because a nation such as ours cannot exist in an Islamic world. It is a mutually exclusive situation and I believe our nation, my nation will be the loser.

As far as Jefferson, I am only saying that his possession of a Koran, did not mean that he ascribed to the doctrine it contained, nor that he would approve of it being used at a swearing in ceremony. And it also doesn't mean that he didn't.

The dates of the war are overall kind of irrelevant. We were paying tribute to Muslim nations long before the war. Jefferson just said no. I think it is interesting that so many don't know about this undeclared war abroad against Muslim nations. And it was even more interesting when you throw in the Jefferson's Koran thing.

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