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RE: They deserve as much respect

Comment comment by VnutZ on 21 November 2006

The "Jedi" know they're faking a religion and so does everyone else.

This begs an interesting question - is the criteria that the religion be TRUE and REAL? Or is the criteria that the people SUFFICIENTLY BELIEVE?

If it's simply that they BELIEVE, then just about any odd cult will meet that criteria. Like Branch Davidians or Heaven's Gate qualify because those people sure died for their belief! So do they get granted all the government recognition, financial benefits, etc. etc.?

If it's TRUE and REAL that matter to you, then you need to be able to make a case for it. And remember, there can only be three valid states atheism, monotheism and polytheism of which there are religions that will directly oppose one another for foundation. Thus, if one can be proven more true than another should all those "lesser true" religions be disbanded or lose their statuses? After all, in the course of proving truth and reality, the decision must be made unbiased. And in the end, a certain hierarchy of truth and reality will inevitably be calculated. Imagine if ultimately there were more evidence to support Wiccan/Druid beliefs than something more mainstream?

Remember, to the non-believer, a Christian/Hindu/Muslim is just as deluded and wrong as a Jedi.

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RE: They deserve as much respect by jmarkdavison :: NR6

If it's TRUE and REAL that matter to you, then you need to be able to make a case for it.

I think the person trying to change the status quo should have to make a case. Gay marriage proponents make the same basic argument all the time: let's call it the "why not?" argument. "Why do we have to drive on the right side of the road? What's wrong with the left side?" "Why can't kids go to work and adults stay home and play and poop their pants?"

Common sense is enough to dictate what is a religion and what is not. Ditto for marriage.

Is it that you have no religion and it bugs you that you don't get the same respect as the religious? America gives you the right to not be religious, but not the right to be respected.

"Flying Spaghetti Monsterism" and "Jediism" get no respect from me because they themselves are rooted in disrespect for mainstream religion. I suspect most grown-ups who make these kind of decisions agree with me, which is why this topic is only mentally masturbated upon in the online world.

I am neutral on atheism, as should be the atheist. It is, after all, a belief in nothing. The atheist who wants recognition or special status might have more of a religion than he thinks...

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