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Is it possible that in the distant future, President George W. Bush, the 43rd president, might be viewed as one of the greatest American Presidents?

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RE: Wrong place. Wrong Time.

Comment comment by scottb on 05 January 2007

America is a Christian country, despite scottb's assertions to the contrary.

And clearly you didn't read my assertions. America, as a country isn't really distinguishable from the American government. This government is explicitly formulated to not acknowledge a deity. That means it's a-theist (though not anti-theist).

America is an atheist country, that happens to have a substantial population of Christians.

Furthermore, as I defend atheism in this forum, every theist seems to eventually insist that I accept their definition of Christianity when considering who counts as a Christian. If one must be "born again", as one poster claims, then that Christian population goes down under 10%. One guy appears to only count Mormons - under that definition, there are about as many Christians as Jews.

You only get that 70%+ number (the ARIS gives it as 76.5%) if you're willing to accept that anyone who says they're a Christian actually counts as being a Christian.

Yet we're supposed to give "equal time" to all religions? In the name of what- diversity? What is the purpose of said diversity? There are 266 times as many Christians as Muslims in America, 399 Christians for each Buddhist, and 798 for every Hindu?

If you lump Christianity into one big pile, you can get those numbers. If you look at Christianity the way it sees itself, then there are a few more Catholics (24.5%) than Baptists (16.3%), and a somewhat larger number (35.7%) if you combine all of the "other" Christian groups (each quite small). And around as many "non-religious" (14.1%) as Baptists. The non-Christian groups make up 3.7%.

If Christianity - in any of its flavors - deserves mention, then so do the many people who disregard religion.

Finally, it appears the community has rallied behind the teacher, with the minority of whiny secularists and the ACLU taking a predictable stance. Thank God -- or Allah for you 0.3% -- we live in a country where the majority rules.

Predictable, but necessary. The notion that "majority rules" is always relevant is plain stupid. The Constitution isn't designed to allow it, either. It explicitly prohibits the "tyrrany of the majority" in particular areas, and the Supreme Court's authority to give the final interpretation of the Constitution on those matters is designed to protect the rights of those who hold minority opinions.

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RE: Wrong place. Wrong Time. by Anonymous :: NR0

Just want to point out that Mormons don't view all other Christian groups as non-Christian. As far as I know this is total crap. Whatever Brandon said to make you think that way was either misinterpreted (probably) or incorrect. Just want to clear that point up. Maybe you mean something else, but oversimplifying and generalizing don't make an argument stronger... especially when the generalizations are dead wrong.

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RE: Wrong place. Wrong Time. by Brandon :: NR9

One guy appears to only count Mormons

Please tell me you aren't talking about me. If you are, would you care to back up that assertion? It will be difficult and will probably involve severe hand-waving and pummeling your skull with a hammer, but I'd still like to see it. Perhaps during the investigation you'll realize that what I've been counseling is that you can't generalize all Christians as believing a certain way when they all don't. I'll have to wait for your reply to find out how that turns into "only Mormons are Christians."