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Is it possible that in the distant future, President George W. Bush, the 43rd president, might be viewed as one of the greatest American Presidents?

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RE: Face it. Our government is NOT guilty.

Comment comment by PowerPointSamurai on 01 March 2008

Occams, have you ever been to Gitmo, or do you just blindly believe the hype and myth? I'll bet you have never seen a picture of the facility, as the media keeps replaying the old 2001 pics of the old, temporary Camp Bucca. Plenty of media have been there since, yet you never see the actual facility--only old stock footage of the temporary one from seven years ago. The whole Koran flushing thing turned out to be a hoax. Don't you think it's possible that a large amount of this "protest" could be at best misguided, and at worst politically motivated?

Oh, and before you try to say I condone torture, go back and read some of my previous articles on the subject. I am wholly against it, but the crux of the problem is that people define the subject much differently, and al Qaeda has exploited that magnificently. By some people's definition of torture, I am tortured every single day at work.

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RE: Face it. Our government is NOT guilty. by Occams :: NR6

I did not try to visit Gitmo back then because I assumed that I would not be given permission. Do you think I am wrong about that?

I am perfectly willing to believe that the place has been cleaned up for the media and that now I would find nothing to object to. So there would be no point in visiting the place now anyway.

Returning to the main point in this thread. The right of the USA to subject citizens of other countries to a corrupt justice system that is rigged to convict them.

Our Government is guilty of doing those things. You seem to agree with that, but feel that the end justifies the means. I don't. I think that if Americans have intrinsic feelings about justice and due process of law that they have enshrined in their laws, then they must treat all humans according to those same governing principles. US citizens could not have been treated like that. What hypocrisy!

I assume that you are a decent human being, opposed to torture and typical of most Americans. Our personal views are irrelevant but our collective views are important as they should steer our Government. We are talking about the integrity of the Government of the United States of America.

It would be interesting to discover whether that treatment achieved anything worthwhile as there is a view in other more civilised countries that any information obtained in that way is worthless. Much worse than that is the fact that our officials were also actually using torture to obtain confessions!! How medieval.

OK most Americans don't care how roughly a bunch of nasty Islamic rag heads are treated, but decent intelligent folks like most Omninerds should be able to see that there has been a serious violation of our ethics here and we should be screaming that we do not want our Government to behave in this way. The President (and future presidents) should learn form us that their oath of office does not require them to behave in an inhuman way to protect us.

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