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RE: I feel your pain....

Comment comment by Bortnyk on 11 April 2007

It's not that simple. Aside from the trigger pullers and the bullet bringers, the bulk of the Army is contractors, Department of the Army Civillian workers, or soldiers assigned to jobs that do not involve what most people would consider an Army mission. I will link two examples.

1. The BOSS Program. Entertainment for soldiers actually has soldiers and contracted civillians paid to work for them. This is something that grew out of the need to entertain soldiers in WW2, USO and all that. This is sort of a union for single soldiers that live in the Army Dormitories.

2. Army Community Services. These guys provide a variety of services to soldiers, such as Loans and counseling. Think of it as social welfare for the Army.

I am not attacking these programs, or saying they are doing a bad thing. However, the Army makes quite a show of how we are a professional fighting force. Based on programs like the above, I would say that is only partially true. Blackwater is a professional fighting force. From what I can gather they are expected to each maintain a professional body of knowledge and show up ready to work. In this case train away from home or provide a military formation on another continent. They seem to be able to do this without any sort of welfare system that consumes resources like this happy fellow.

Sam Huntington tells me that the State has a moral obligation to maintain at the very least a body of professional cadre capable standing up and training a military force; and I believe him. I do not think that means we need an Army whos professional fighting men are vastly outnumbered by people who neither shoot nor support. You ask why not simply adopt their system, I tell you to adopt it means to cleave globs of useless fat off a side of beef. I believe our Army should be reduced to the size of the Marine Corp, or even to the pre-WW2 level. The private sector should be able to provide the rest.

This small force could do things we cannot currently do. For instance:

1. Not recruit convicted felons.

2. Pay highly trained soldiers what they are worth, and expect them to look after themselves and deploy when they are told.

3. Focus on warfighting, instead of spending crazy amounts of time with Equal Opportunity training and Sexual Harrasment training.

This leaner Army, along with the other branches of service would be able to respond to immediate threats and destroy a State Centric Center of Gravity. For anything larger the National Guard and Reserve could be mobilized. Unless anyone thinks the Russians are going to drive across Europe anytime soon, I think this is a more realistic goal.

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RE: I feel your pain.... by Xtremegene :: NR5

I'll have to ask for more clarification in how having a smaller Army in itself will improve the number and quality of recruits. I would think that those who want to be in combat or combat support roles pretty much know it when they first sign up...?

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RE: I feel your pain.... by romanizzo :: NR6

You are out of your damn mind.

First, calling Blackwater a professional fighting force is an utter insult to the rest of us. Having not inspected their entire organization, I will say that I might not be entirely right. But as for the hoodlums they have running around Iraq that like to randomly discharge their weapons and spray 'n pray, well, I suppose they fill the same void that a Marine Special Forces company could fill. Gross generalization? Sure. But just because they were the cool guys that had the little birds flying around the Green Zone by our house back in 04 doesn't make them a professional fighting force.

Second, your perspective on the Army is skewed drastically into the negative for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is being rear-D commander and in the Worst Cavalry Division at the same time. There's good soldiers and there's bad soldiers, like there's good outfits and bad, but establishing your position based while you're in, arguably, the most miserable job in the Army is probably going to lead to a flawed opinion.

Third, shrinking the size of the Army would be a disaster for dozens of reasons outside the purview of this conversation. Consider, however, that the number of shooters in Iraq right now is somewhere over 80,000 (don't have a link, remember reading it though) and that is round about 50%, depending on the month and whether or not we are surging. 50% is phenomenal. We were lucky to get a 10-to-1 ratio in times passed. I will agree that the Support Battalions and PSBs that work 9-to-5 and take weekends off while in Iraq make me utterly nauseous, and that the thousands of KBR contractors skew the ratio some more. However, all things being considered, we're doing well. How small would you want to shrink? There's 80,000 we clearly need right there, and they need to rotate every 12 to 15 months, so thats 160,000. Then we need to train em and send em to schools, and they really need more of a break, so lets call it 240,000. Then, in all honesty, we should have twice the reserve standing by for another conflict, so now we're up to 400,000 in just shooters.

Of course the military looks like fraud, waste and abuse from the cynics viewpoint. It takes 8 gallons of JP8 to start an M1A2 tank, the tank burns 12 gallons an hour at idle, and is lucky to get a mile in 3 gallons. Bombers cost billions of dollars. All this is why its a state function. No private industry could possibly support this, even on a government contract. The reason Blackwater and, similarly, the tiny little Australian Army look so much better on the surface, is because they have so few moving pieces, constraints and complications to deal with. They have the luxury of not having to worry about all the problems you point out.

But I guess it goes back to what the mission is. To fight and win our nation's wars. It would be criminally negligent to assume that conflicts we need or choose to engage in could be won by the small cadre you describe. And, as much as I love our citizen-soldiers in the Guard and Reserves, lets remember where a lot of the problems have come from ... cough ... Abu Ghraib ... cough. You, of all people, remember what its like to deal with Guard units. I appreciate their sacrifice, but I'll be damned if I can, with clear conscience, let the security of this nation rest on their shoulders. We couldn't have done Afghanistan or Iraq with what you describe (the argument of whether or not we needed to is neither necessary nor welcome.) Can you accurately forecast what the next conflict we'll be in looks like? I can't. And old Donny Rumsfeld sure was adamant about the smaller quicker Army ... and he turned out to be wrong as two boys kissing in church on Sunday.