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Reuters is reporting that pirates off the coast of Somalia have seized a Kenyan vessel, The Rozen, in the port of Puntland. The Rozen had recently off-loaded 1800 Metric Tons of UN Food Relief, before being stormed by gunmen wielding AK-47s. A US Navy Ship was contacted by the Somali City Police for assistance and is heading to the port.
Pirate attacks have become common again since the Islamist Group was removed from power. The Somali Pirates are allegedly well trained and armed, and wear uniforms. Other attacks by Somali pirates, in the past, have been unsuccesful having been fended off by cruise ships and Chinese fishermen.
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Piracy is not new by wallywonderswhy
I personally liked the fun loving original pirates of the Caribbean. These guys don’t sound so fun loving. I short time ago I wrote a post that seemed to be pretty popular in a small town way, it had Muslims, Americans, an undeclared war, and pirates.
Jefferson’s Koran
RE: Piracy is not new by EyeOfSage
These pirates are beaten back by Cruise ships are Chinese fisherman…I think ‘well trained and armed’ is an exaggeration.
RE: Piracy is not new by Anonymous
Chinese Fisherman are all Ninjas, and totally flip out and kill Pirates all the time.
RE: Piracy is not new by nickfranklin
i read your linked essay. wasn’t sure what you were getting at…
jefferson bought his koran in 1765.
the barbary war kicked off in 1801.
are you suggesting TJ could SEE THE FUTURE?
but seriously: i suppose your argument is that jefferson maintained his koran throughout the war to better understand the enemy, which isn’t predicated on him buying it just for the war. and i’m sure he flipped through it at least once when things started getting crazy. but still… have you read the koran? it’s just as screwy and full of weird metaphor as any other religious book. i do this military thing sort of professionally—maybe you do too, i don’t know—and in my sort of professional opinion, you’d have to be pretty badass to get enough insight into your enemy’s way of fighting war from reading his literature. the whole thing seems kind of a non sequitur to me. sorry. sometimes, a book is just a book.
(incidentally—speaking of the barbary war and badass…)
i didn’t understand the article you linked to in the first sentence of your essay, either. i don’t know anything about representative ellison, but apparently he’s been muslim since he was 19… if the guy wants to swear in on a koran—why not? there’s no state religion around here, man. you’re thinking of somebody else’s country.
RE: Piracy is not new by wallywonderswhy
I have read both the Koran and the Bible. Yes, I am against anyone swearing on a Koran to uphold our nation, because a nation such as ours cannot exist in an Islamic world. It is a mutually exclusive situation and I believe our nation, my nation will be the loser.
As far as Jefferson, I am only saying that his possession of a Koran, did not mean that he ascribed to the doctrine it contained, nor that he would approve of it being used at a swearing in ceremony. And it also doesn’t mean that he didn’t.
The dates of the war are overall kind of irrelevant. We were paying tribute to Muslim nations long before the war. Jefferson just said no. I think it is interesting that so many don’t know about this undeclared war abroad against Muslim nations. And it was even more interesting when you throw in the Jefferson’s Koran thing.
Barbary Pirates by Bortnyk
It is a huge stretch to suggest that Jefferson was even remotely interested in getting into the mind of the enemy by reading the Koran. It is far more likely that he wasn’t even spending alot of time thinking about it.
After being sent back from failed negotiations with the Bey of Tripoli about paying tribute for enslaved US Navy Sailors, William Eaton sort of brow beat Jefferson into awarding him a commision as the US Naval agent to the Barbary States. With this commision came a clandestine mission to ‘take advantage of civil unrest’ in order to win a more favorable arrangement that did not involve tribute. Jefferson also dispatched Commodore James Barron to blockade the port, as well as the hapless diplomat Tobias Lear to negotiate a treaty that didn’t involve tribute.
During the execution portion of this operation, Commodore Barron had a limited amount of funds and forces to prosecute his blockade and Tobias Lear wandered the Mediteranean with his wife on vacation before even arriving in Tripoli. Eaton was sent across war torn Egypt/ Africa in search of Hamet Karamanli, the deposed ruler of Tripoli, with 8 marines, a small amount of money, and a fistful of correspondance. These are certainly not the wartime actions of a president so focused on a war that he read the Koran to gain insight into Yusef Bashaw. These are closer to the actions of a president who was interested in expanding the country, and building gunboats in favor of a strong navy.
RE: Barbary Pirates by Bortnyk
Also, I read your article and would like to point out that in the end we ended up paying millions for peace. Beyond the $60 thousand, Lear distributed a large amount in personal ‘gifts’.